I've seen some older, similar threads about this but I haven't seen a definitive answer. Using Voukoder 11.3.2 in Vegas 18 Pro. The Intel QSV option is not available in Voukoder, but it is available in the Sony and Magix encoder options. My environment is Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz, Intel UHD 630 display adapter on an HP Pavillion. The driver version I have installed is 26.20.100.7925, dated 2/19/2020 and there appear to be no later versions available. Any ideas?
As a side note, I'm also looking for a dedicated graphics card (around $200 USD) that would work with Vegas and Voukoder, so any suggestions would be appreciated for this as well. I've been looking around but there is an overwhelming number of choices!
Intel QSV not available
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Dave-B -
17. September 2022 um 13:44
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Regarding dedicated graphics card for encoding, low-end Nvidia Turing (except GTX 1630 and GTX 1650) cards are best at the moment. Any Nvidia card from 1650 Super and up.
Turing cards (16/20-series) encode notably better h.264/h.265 picture quality for the same bitrate vs. Pascal cards (10-series). Difference to me looks about the same as decreasing the Constant Quantizer setting by 1, but with the same filesize.
Ampere cards (30-series) use the same NVENC module as Turing. The NVDEC decoder has a slight improvement, but not the encoder.
Lovelace cards (40-series) have better NVENC modules, but are outside your $200 range at the moment.
Worth noting too that a higher-end card won't gain you much encoding performance. Turing and Ampere cards all have the same NVENC encode module, which has nothing to do with how big the GPU is, how many CUDA cores etc. Separate module. (If you're doing effects or filters etc. where you also use CUDA, that's different...) The only encoder difference between a 1650 Super and a 3090 Ti is memory bus width/speed; they both have the same NVENC module.
The RTX 2060 Super has a 256-bit memory bus with 14 Gbps GDDR6. Might be close to the sweet spot for you.
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i7 8700's iGPU supports Intel QSV. Make sure you install the Intel Graphics driver to enable it.
For GPU accelerated codec, you can look for Quadro RTX A4000, Quadro RTX A5000, Geforce RTX 3000, Geforce RTX 4000 series for an acceptable video export quality
Or you can just go for a faster CPU like Ryzen 7950X or i9 13900K and use proper video encoders (x264/x265)
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To actually accelerate video editing software, you'll need at least 8GB of video memory and a quite powerful GPU for small editing & effects, which means with 200USD, the 2 options you have are:
- used Tesla P40 24GB that is flooding on ebay (Pascal architecture, or GTX 1080), it has lots of video memory but does't come with a fan
- used RTX 3060 12GB that was originally designed for mining market
These 2 options are both pretty bad, I'd say increase the budget for:
- used RTX 3070 ti 8GB (memory is a bottleneck, but still decent for smaller projects since the GPU core is significantly more powerful)
- used RTX A4000 16GB (same core as the RTX 3070 ti but way bigger memory), sometimes you can find a very good deal on ebay/aliexpress
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"I haven't used Vegas Pro so I could only guess."
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How did you quote my reply in a totally different thread, and your quote doesn't even relate to my answer. I was talking about hardware acceelrated editing
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Vegas is notorious for not benefiting from hot graphics card hardware. Which you'd know if you had any experience with it. I've been working with Vegas for over a decade, on over a dozen different graphics cards.
I'm here to share what I know, because somebody asked. I didn't come here to waste time arguing with somebody who has no experience with Vegas and who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
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Is that version of the Intel driver too old for Voukoder but not VEGAS?
In general I have the opposite with Intel iGPUs where it doesn't work in VEGAS if I had an external monitor plugged in it stops working.
Also have a decade experience in VEGAS with 12 and then 15-20.
ZitatTo actually accelerate video editing software, you'll need at least 8GB of video memory and a quite powerful GPU for small editing & effects,
VP 18+ works fine with a 10XX+ NVIDIA card with 4GB and more. If you use AI effects or 8K 8GB+ is needed. For rendering it doesn't really matter as the encoders are flexible.
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I didn't come here to waste time arguing with somebody who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
I apologies for not being professional, however I did not provide a bad answer compared to yours. You really should point my fault out rather than straight up gate keeping because you know Vegas better than me. I feel my time has been wasted too seeing you gluing humilation with little context.
You are actually recommending 40-series cards, which are NOT older than mine recommendation.
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You really should point my fault out.
Do I have to? Okay, this is not productive or constructive for anybody, but here we go....
First of all, with a $200 budget and an 8000-series Intel processor, the OP is not a high-powered user. He's looking for hardware encoding and some light effects, by the sounds of it.
I explained the different generations of Nvidia cards, and why Ampere is a waste of money for encoding, and Lovelace (while somewhat better for encoding) is obviously way out of his price range. I suggested a card (2060S) at the price point he was looking for, and with what should be very good specs for his purposes.
You came in with a misinformed wall of text touting every high-powered card you'd ever heard of. Despite the facts that: this clearly wasn't what he was looking for, encoding wouldn't benefit from these cards (as I'd already explained), Vegas editing wouldn't benefit much from these cards, and they were also significantly out of his price range (a Quadro, when the guy asked about $200 cards? Really?).
I did not provide a bad answer compared to yours.
I answered his question, based on my own experience trying to improve Vegas' performance. You shouted me down by copy and pasting half the Internet, which didn't really apply to his situation or to Vegas.
... gluing humilation with context.
I don't speak whatever language this is.
You are actually recommending 40-series cards, which are NOT older than mine recommendation.
If you actually read what i wrote above, you'll see i was not recommending Lovelace cards to this gentleman. Quite the opposite. They do have better onboard NVENC encoders supposedly, but are significantly out of his price range and are not a good fit for him.
Nor is it simply a matter of card age. Which i explained (Pascal vs Turing vs Ampere). For instance, a 2060 Super has the same NVENC module and 24% more memory bandwidth than a 3060.
I will say that you were right on one thing: Faster processors make everything better, including Vegas. But the OP's rig isn't that bad for what it seems like he's doing, and on a $200 budget he's certainly not going to buy an entirely new platform and a 13900K or 7950X.
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You came in with a misinformed wall of text touting every high-powered card you'd ever heard of.
Thank you for taking time to point out my errors. Again I'm not a Vegas user. I use After Effects & Premiere rendering at 2560x1440, they benefits from large VRAM, quanitiy of CUDA cores and on-die caches, with a $200 amount of budget, the 2nd hand Tesla P40 & RTX 3060 12GB falls into the OP's requirement by their computing power & larger VRAM size initially.
Vegas is notorious for not benefiting from hot graphics card hardware. Which you'd know if you had any experience with it.
I did some research after replying to you, now I understood that your recommendation of 2060S is solely for the NVENC module & VRAM bandwidth rather than it's computing capability. You may be right on OP's target workload is light rather than heavy.
a Quadro, when the guy asked about $200 cards?
The reason that I recommended Quadro cards was because they were proven to be more stable than GeForce for rendering. However since Vegas invested more on OpenCL, an AMD card is more likely to be helpful.
He's looking for hardware encoding and some light effects, by the sounds of it.
I still don't agree with you on this phrase, as we do not know what OP is looking for at first place, to me he/she is looking for a rendering boost, which natually requries a powerful card, no matter what budget the OP has.
BTW, if you pay attention, you'll see that I didn't actually recommended any cards at first place. I firstly recommended to get a faster CPU at my 1st reply.
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VEGAS uses CUDA as well and supports NVIDIA cards just fine. The AMD recommendation was true a decade ago. (I maintain two benchmarks for Vegas Pro and NVIDIA and AMD are quite competitive.)
There were issues with Quadro cards not working as well as GeForce, at least until fairly recent fixes in VP.
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RTX 3060 12GB falls into the OP's requirement by their computing power & larger VRAM size initially.
Doesn't matter how much memory you have if your GPU is breathing through a straw. 3060 only has 192-bit memory bus, which is why it performs about the same as the cheaper 2060S. I wouldn't buy a 3060; I don't think they're worth the money. The lowest 30-series card I'd consider is a 3060 Ti.
I own many cards from 10-, 20-, and 30-series, everything from a 1060 to a 3090, including a 3060 Ti which has a 256-bit memory bus and is around 30% more card than a 3060. And yet my 2070 Super finishes my jobs significantly quicker than the 3060 Ti (which is not to say everybody's workload will behave the same). I suspect this is due to the 2070S's higher clock speed. Don't buy a card just so you can tell your mommy you have a 30-series; they're not necessarily better, as I've said multiple times already.
2080 Ti cards with their oddball 352-bit bus don't work well with my CUDA workload (Vegas/TMPGEnc). Maybe it's just my application. 2080 Ti is stable and I love the cards (I have 2 of them), but somehow they're way slower at this job than other cards with a 256-bit bus. I assume the odd bus-width doesn't mesh with the particular CUDA instructions my application uses. Which is another example of a hotter card not necessarily being better. Haven't tried a 10GB 3080 yet, though i suspect it would have the same issue.
I did some research.
Aka, you googled it. Yeah I spent a long time googling too, when i first started out. Then i realized that 99.5% of people on the Internet don't actually know anything, they just copy and pasted uninformed theories from OTHER people who don't actually know anything. Which realization is an important step in growing up. I bought several cards that the Internet swore were the best for Vegas. I was disappointed every time. So i just started buying various cards and running my own tests against my particular workload... and that's still what I'm doing as new tech comes along.
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The reason that I recommended Quadro cards was because they were proven to be more stable than GeForce for rendering.
I guess you're referring to ECC? Probably not a concern for anybody whose budget is $200, and to me a Pascal Quadro is not worth giving up the improved Turing NVENC.
It's also pretty pointless to run ECC memory on your graphics card, but still run non-ECC memory on your computer mainboard. So add a bunch of server RAM into your budget if you want to get *that* carried away. Assuming your platform even supports server memory.
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If you'd be willing to test your different NVIDIA cards on a standardized benchmark it could provide valuable data. This benchmark project works with VP 16+:
Vegas Pro BenchmarkingCompare your system's render performance against our community of users! See here for results (updated automatically):…forms.gleIf you also want to compare Voukoder render times you can put that in the comment field.
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Intel QSV not showing up is asked half a dozen times on this forum, but the correct answer has not been mentioned.
If you look into the changelog, you will notice Voukoder version 11 upgraded to VPL library, then version 12 changed back to Media SDK, then version 13 upgraded to VPL library, again.Why? Because Intel no longer wants to develop Media SDK. It is an old library that supported Broadwell (2014) all the way until TigerLake (2021). But Intel doesn't want to support older graphics hardware any longer, so they come up with this new library called VPL. This library supports TigerLake and later, so if you have older hardware, you will not be able to use QSV acceleration with VPL.
And so, if you have 8th generation hardware (KabyLake-R, 2018), you will need to download the old Voukoder 12 which uses Media SDK. Do not download 13 because you will not see the QSV option. (Or you can buy a new CPU if you'd like, and also a motherboard too because Intel sockets are not compatible across generation) It has nothing to do with the driver.
If you have 12th generation, then you want either Voukoder version 11 or 13.
