Confusion. Adobe Premiere CC 2019 + Voukoder + Vega 56

1. offizieller Beitrag

    Hi!
    I installed Voukoder to get the often mentioned speed bump in rendering.
    Though I am very confused by abbreviations and so on to be honest. I am using a Vega 56 GPU, thus Im using AMD AMF, not NVENC.
    Until now Ive had my workflow in Premiere, just set the bitrate, H264, done. Now there are things like QPI QPR, LCVB, and other things, for which apparently you have to study rocket sience first :)
    Also, the export via Voukoder and standard settings using AMD AMF ist about 30% slower(!) than with my CPU, a 2700X.
    Of course I googled a bit, but as expected most people use NGreedia.
    What I want is the following:
    - 1080p/60FPS, 14-16 kbit
    - Faster export compared to CPU only
    - Using AMDs framework
    - Having the same quality as before with cpu only rendering, neglecting the filesize for now

    Who wants to tell me exactly what I have to set where to get this result?

    Additional thoughts:
    I tried versions 0.7.2, 2.2 and the newest beta, no joy.
    Also I would like to propose, that all options are translated to normal English language, so that everybody who can use Premiere can also easily understand the Voukoder settings.
    What I also dont quite understand is, that in version 0.7.2 the options for the encoder were directly visible in the program window of Premiere, now with newer versions one has to click through subwindows to get the same functionality. From my understanding, a newer version should always succeed the older one not only by version number, but also regarding usability.
    But as I said, these are just a few thoughts, my question you can see above.

    Greetings and thanks in advance!

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von Spicysauced (5. November 2019 um 17:15)

    • Offizieller Beitrag
    Zitat von Spicysauced

    I installed Voukoder to get the often mentioned speed bump in rendering.

    Voukoder is not about getting a speed bump. It is about making additional encoders available. Please read: Voukoder Performance Analysis

    The first sections should explain quite alot.

    Zitat von Spicysauced

    Until now Ive had my workflow in Premiere, just set the bitrate, H264, done. Now there are things like QPI QPR, LCVB, and other things, for which apparently you have to study rocket sience first :)

    You should have "Advanced settings" settings disabled to hide the most confusing settings. Setting a bitrate makes only sense if you taget a specific file size. Use a quantizer based rate control. This defines basically the quality / filesize ratio.

    You don't need to study rocket science, but using media encoders requires some kind of basic knowledge.

    Zitat von Spicysauced

    What I also dont quite understand is, that in version 0.7.2 the options for the encoder were directly visible in the program window of Premiere, now with newer versions one has to click through subwindows to get the same functionality. From my understanding, a newer version should always succeed the older one not only by version number, but also regarding usability.

    Voukoder got an external interface to make it available to other programs besides Premiere only (i.e. Vegas Pro, After Effects, ...)

    In your case: Just select "Profile: High", "Encoding strategy: CQP" and "CQP Value:" to something aroung 15. Smaller values better quality / larger filesize.

    And please read the forum post mentioned above.

    Zitat von Vouk

    Voukoder is not about getting a speed bump

    Alright. I found Voukoder googling for "quicksync alternative" actually, there are many videos about it on Youtube with titles like "increase rendering speed by X amount" - thats why I was thinking its all about speed while using the gpu to encode like Final Cut utilizing QuickSync to improve rendering times drastically.

    Zitat von Vouk

    In your case: Just select "Profile: High", "Encoding strategy: CQP" and "CQP Value:" to something aroung 15. Smaller values better quality / larger filesize.

    Gotcha. Tried it, dont know what CQP means regarding kbit/sec., but the result with my test clip was, that it still took 1 minute longer than with using my cpu alone. During the test, my Vega was about 50% utilized, not more ..
    I guess, since my goal was speed and speed only while maintaining quality, all the guys who were able to decrease their rendering times were using NVidia? Or how did they pull off x2 - x6 speed improvements? If yes, why does your encoder provide such a drastic boost to rendering times using NVENC but not AMD AMF? If no, what else could be the reason?